Match info
| Date | League | Winner | Loser | Score | Type | |||||
| 2004-10-07 | TFL 3a | AFM | Alcoholic Fragging Machine | 127.42 +3.51 |
SIN | Strages in Nomine | 96.80 -3.51 |
60-0 10-0 | Stowaway 2 Stowaway 2 |
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Writeup:
AFM over SIN
Fellow friends, TFC players, and assholes, lend me your ears. Tonight I tell thee a story of hypocrisy, dishonesty, and overall idiocy. So, after tonight?s match in TFL, I?ve come to the conclusion that there is something about Thursday that transforms the normally docile AFM team into a pack of vicious assholes. Maybe it?s because we hate TFL for suspending us, or maybe it?s because TFL has no real rules about OvO and Max D. Regardless, we tried to walk away from our tarnished image tonight, and play as clean as possible. However, SIN showed us why they refused to face us in weeks past; they weren?t willing to handle a simple loss. Rather, when faced with the thought of losing a precious match, they resorted to expressly ?illegal? tactics, and tried to ruin our fun. They were not aware that you can?t ruin AFM?s fun. Our fun relies on playing with each other, regardless of winning or losing, and stems from our hatred of everything and everyone else in TFC.
Round 1:
It?s a stalemate early on, with neither team really doing much on O. Both team?s D seemed to be holding out on this defensively inclined map. However, out of nowhere, the AFM O, blackout/platypus/mastaflex/tom/fusion, shrugged off it?s rust, and their experience took over. The old familiar ?Your team has the enemy flag? wave file was not an infrequent visitor to my ears. On the D side, we held everything down.
The flag was rarely touched, as the impenetrable fortress that was the AFM D decided to show tonight. I was definitely a supplement to the core of our D this round: mark, cappy, and kappa. Excellent round (enjoyed by all, I think). Round ends in favor of AFM, 6-0.
Round 2:
This round is not even worthy of mention. At the very beginning of the round (scout rush), they piped respawns and continued to throughout the round, until we retaliated like only AFM can. Words were exchanged, round was boring for the most part, but I think the rest of AFM had fun. We capped once, round ends in favor of AFM 1-0.
Final score: 7-0 AFM > SIN
O roster: Fusion, Senor (rd 2), Blackout, Mastaflex, Evo, Platypus
D roster: Kappa, Cappy, mark, Unfor.
I don?t think we?ve seen another clan try to play llama and fail at it as miserably as you guys did. It?s obviously not your thing. Stick to playing fair and clean, regardless of what the other clan is doing. It seems your self-proclaimed righteousness is conditional at best. Here are some things you may want to consider when you parade around as the innocent victim of AFM vigilante justice:
[ @Medusa ] SIN holds to a higher standard. again gg
[[SIN]Akira2] Sorry about all of this... we've just been really stressed lately with all this bs the captains just told us to let loose and go with it rd2... it seems like everytime our fun gets ruined by the small stuff that happened from rd1 we just give up...
[[SIN]Akira2] we were basically told to be as gay as we could... just because... the captains were tired of it
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Fusion
68.99.24.218 |
[e9] here i come
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Hard
216.98.60.147 |
Snap i miss all the fun matches ?
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Hard
216.98.60.147 |
^^^^ Shit i can't edit, the interrogation point shouldn't be there waaaa.
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Akira
208.180.153.18 |
You seemed to miss one thing. SIN doesn't mind losing and we've never bothered with retaliating against the gayness (which AFM had taken the place of RD1).
Hypocrisy: We tried to play a clean game RD1 in hopes of warding you off RD2... until we actually realized that a clan such as yours wasn't going to ease off on all the BS that happened RD1. Spy pilling the respawn, infecting O soldiers, playing D in our yard, offense chasing offense back into the base. Although it may not be "illegal" for the most part, it is very disrespectful to do the other team on any kind of standards (if any) you have.
Note: We didn't refuse to play with you a few weeks ago. You refused to play with us because you didn't want to play that "gay map" and your people wouldn't show up because of it. 30 minutes later you get guys finally coming in to play. After at least 15 minutes of your guys dicking around and not preparing for play in the least.... we just left because we weren't going to waste our time on a team that anyone could tell was going to be AT LEAST gay when they played.
"I don?t think we?ve seen another clan try to play llama and fail at it as miserably as you guys did. It?s obviously not your thing. Stick to playing fair and clean, regardless of what the other clan is doing. It seems your self-proclaimed righteousness is conditional at best."
So we weren't any good at playing llama huh? Next time I wanna play a really kickass llama game, I'll come to you guys for advice. Obviously, it's not our thing... but apparently it's your thing since you seem to know how to play it so well. Guess that's why you got "at least" 1 cap RD2 when both teams were breaking out the llama stick.
We're not here to assert ourselves as the all righteous god of TFC. We're here to have fun and we DO hold a higher standard... It is not by proclamation that we are viewed this way, it is by our actions. SIN isn't just some old TFC clan, SIN is a community, and a family.
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psi
24.158.170.139 |
This just goes to show you. Clans that have a reputation for being "classy" and "clean" is only true until a clan has the balls to call them on it.
nice writeup and gj AFM.
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Akira
208.180.153.18 |
It's not just AFM. It's a result of the same old bs OVER, and OVER, and OVER. I just want to have a CLEAN and FUN game without having my patience CONSTANTLY tested with this kind of mindless bs that ruins the fun for at LEAST one team. They could've beaten us without doing all that crap. Is it too much to ask that you at least TRY to play a clean game?
Unfortunately... I surmise that at least half of the community sees otherwise. It's that kind of attitude... the attitude that lingers in every single ladder of every single league of every single game. "If we're having fun, we'll just ignore everything else at the expense of a shitty game for the other team."
I just don't understand why it is necessary to constantly make us look like the bad guys when we release some steam every once in a while for all of the idiocies that have been going on.
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KapPa
156.34.221.239 |
wow. Our offense potshotted a little bit, big deal. I heard several comms from our o saying that they were being infected by your offense and chasing our flag carriers. If you do that to our offense, don't expect to get away with it.
Regardless of a little bit of chasing round 1 (which your team took part in as well) you guys actually broke league rules round 2. You started off piping our respawn, which I was told is illegal but haven't bothered to confirm, and you personally then proceeded to nail exploit our base (and yours rofl!) probably 10 times.
As for the last time we were to play, we never refused to play you. Are you fucking retarded or just grossly misinformed? We didn't have enough people show up that night so we had to forfeit (because you guys were being anal about start time and told us we had to). Around 30 minutes after 8 we had enough show up and asked if you still wanted to play, you agreed, we headed in. You then refused to let us use an unrostered player because you thought he was a ringer, and left our server. Half an hour later your "leader" is bitching at me because he says that we were supposed to have come to your server even though no one told us.
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Fusion
68.99.24.218 |
akira heres a hint. dont play tfc then. quit being a bitch and grow up. go play ugc or start a league that is ovd so we dont have to hear people like you bitch about how "tfc is dead and ovo is ruining it." or other worthless drivel.
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psi
68.119.96.10 |
in the immortal words of dirtyharry, and this also happens to be one of the few non-stupid things he ever managed to spew forth, "Its not our job to make sure you have fun.".
truer words were never spoken.
also, you can't "release some steam" and then go and complain about how lame the other team is.
and no i'm not in AFM. but by the way their writeups have been recently it makes me wish I were heh.
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Unfor
24.12.178.39 |
Well, I've been writing them lately, so I can see why that is, ;]
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Akira
208.180.153.18 |
"akira heres a hint. dont play tfc then. quit being a bitch and grow up. go play ugc or start a league that is ovd so we dont have to hear people like you bitch about how "tfc is dead and ovo is ruining it." or other worthless drivel."
Call me a dreamer but am I asking too much? It's not the OvO, it's the feeling that other teams actually necessitate this kind of behavior on a REGULAR basis. This isn't because it's a "legit strat", it's not because it's necessary. I believe it is because they feel that they have "more" fun if the other team is having less fun. The problem being that it's sort of an inverse competitive environment...
"*It's not our job to make sure you have fun."
...What's that... ohhh I see... the "no responsibility" issue...
It's also not your job to make sure the other team DOESN'T have fun, yet... people like to assert themselves into that position quite often don't they? It's not necessary to be even the LEAST bit lame to get that extra edge on another team, yet alot of people think so. Again, this isn't about the win OR the loss as some of you here seem to think of it.
TFC has been on a downward spiral for AT LEAST 2 years. What you all should realize is that it's your own faults. Asking for a clean game from almost any of you is like asking god for some random, unexpected miracle in 3 seconds.
Maybe I have some kind of mental disability that prevents me from seeing the point of such crap like AFM pulled rd1? I dare someone to tell me what they did was right, and for the better, in any way shape or form.
Sure... 2 wrongs don't make a right, but it does open a way for discussion to begin. Alot of you are and will continue on your self destructive pattern until you find that the game is "no fun anymore" once you move up and figure out that you can't always win by lameness. I've seen alot of teams that are like that and they usually don't even last a year.... Later down the road AFM will probably be the poster child for this pattern, yet everyone will just ignore it and continue on their merry way to whatever it is you get when you move to "Platinum". I've seen teams come and go and I recognized this pattern from the get and go. This pattern has only been broken by a few teams from which I can think of, SIN being one of them (which is why I joined them).
Is this belief that people should play a clean game so unpopular that it should be thrown away like trash?
Th0r said the other day, "So they're 12 year old jackasses... hey... at least they aren't on the streets getting into trouble."
This isn't a complaint, it's a concern... and until you can see the bigger picture, you're on that downward spiral.
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Fusion
68.13.152.237 |
crap we pulled round 1? I played D but from what I hear a spy would put a pill on spawn on his run. A demo would lay down a few pipes on respawn. you know why? THE FUCKING RESPAWNS ARE RIGHT NEXT TO KEY D SPOTS. It's really easy to whore the resups.
and downward spiral? its a fucking video game. one which you need to pub more on so you can actually do nail grenade exploits right.
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th0razine
69.161.84.67 |
don't pull me into this lol, I already said gg and talked to plat.
I'm not going to argue over who's right and who's wrong.
It's a game, we're supposed to have fun.
It's easy for any clan, AFM included to get frustrated during a match and do something distasteful to the other clan.
Question here is who defines whats right and wrong.
The admins do.
Point here is that it IS just a game and I WAS EXTREMELY frustrated at the time... but I'm over it.
Since it's a game, anything can happen during a match depending on who shows for what clan, what map it is, whos on and whos off etc. We've been destroyed by plat clans (us being bronze at the time) and we've owned the same clan right back on a different map 30 minutes later.
a* recently got banned from STA and I won't trashtalk them or anyone else, but if they were "accused" of passing hacks around their clan (and I don't know the whole story) and they got beat a few times... draw your own conclusions.
the only difference I see now is that it used to be most clans knew each other across the board and most clans got along and showed up to have a great time together... now its a little more close knit where instead of a community level its a clan level, or a tight group of friends level.
We all show up to play a game with our friends and have fun. period.
The only thing that really bothers me is some of the language and racist crap people spew at each other in the name of humor. But I can't stop that. Also, people who ring or hack on purpose to be jerks and have no remorse what so ever, but I can't fix that either... so I just ignore it.
Personally - and you might think I'm stupid - I don't ever shoot other teams O - flag carrier or not - I don't follow the other teams O into our base and infect them, I don't use hacks or exploits or any of that crap - Just the way I learned to play. Can't help it.
You can't expect anyone else to follow YOUR personal game ettiquette. It's all opinion. One team may think the others strat is "gay" etc. And I'm pretty sure that no matter what clan you're in... if you practice a strat and you think its pretty good and it doesn't work out match night and you lose... you're prolly in your private IRC channel bitching about it until you get over it.
Some people do it in pub channels lol but again not my call.
Anyway... -SIN- has always tried to give our opponents a straight up game and have done so 99.9% of the time.
We have ALWAYS let the capts take care of any issues our clan or any of its members have with anyone else in the community. I'm sure things will be straightened out.
so again, sorry for the long post, was hoping not to get my name dragged in here. GG, GL, and HF until next we meet.
Oh, and your spy should have let me crowbar him :( I never get any lol.
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th0razine
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I don't post much in here other than gg so if the above is hard to follow, it's because I'm a little distractable when it comes to making a point.
I hope what I said was taken the right way.
I'm not here to flame or slander anyone or to excuse anyones behavior, just to offer a more subjective bigger picture to the unnecessary conflict over the match.
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Akira
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"crap we pulled round 1? I played D but from what I hear a spy would put a pill on spawn on his run. A demo would lay down a few pipes on respawn. you know why? THE FUCKING RESPAWNS ARE RIGHT NEXT TO KEY D SPOTS. It's really easy to whore the resups.
and downward spiral? its a fucking video game. one which you need to pub more on so you can actually do nail grenade exploits right."
Please, explain to me the process in which I "do the nail grenade exploits right"... I would like to know. As far as I can tell, there is no "right" way to do it. If it were a pub it wouldn't be a league. I'm not here to argue with you are bash you, and I do see some of your points, but it seems the hard head syndrome is so wide spread I couldn't even cut it with a chisel and a hammer.
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psi
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"TFC has been on a downward spiral for AT LEAST 2 years. What you all should realize is that it's your own faults. Asking for a clean game from almost any of you is like asking god for some random, unexpected miracle in 3 seconds. "
did you play TFC before that? Because if you did you'd simply know that TFC didn't have all the OvO crying or the crying about sportsmanship or any of the general pussiness that TFC has become. The plain and simple facts are this: The downward spiral of TFC began when people decided they wanted rules against pretty much everything in TFC. It began when people stopped trying to be good and practice and BEAT clans and instead they started putting as many restrictions as possible on TFC in order to "level the playing field".
If you played TFC before 2 years ago and you still think the downward spiral of TFC is because someone won't play by YOUR set standards and rules for TFC then you're goddamn retarded.
TFC used to be about red vs blue. It USED to be about going into a match and winning. It used to be about worrying about yourself and your clan instead of worrying about what someone else MAY or MAY NOT be doing. The downfall of TFC began when the first "sportsmanship" rule was put into place and when "OvO" suddenly became lame overnight.
It began when the little faggots decided they could get cheap wins that they didn't deserve.
You've had as much to do with the downfall of TFC as anybody else Akira. Want a clean match? Then go play single player games.
TFC sucks because theres a shitload of little cockslurping shitbuckets that refuse to admit they aren't the moral majority and that they aren't... just possibly.. just maybe.. the end all be all of the TFC community. When you realize that there is more than 1 personality involved in TFC maybe then you'll realize not everybody has to agree or even adhere to what YOU think is fun and clean.
Its not OUR job to make sure you have fun. Its YOUR job to ensure you have fun.
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Akira
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"TFC sucks because theres a shitload of little cockslurping shitbuckets that refuse to admit they aren't the moral majority and that they aren't... just possibly.. just maybe.. the end all be all of the TFC community. When you realize that there is more than 1 personality involved in TFC maybe then you'll realize not everybody has to agree or even adhere to what YOU think is fun and clean. "
I realize that there's more then 1 personality involved in TFC, obviously. Not everybody has to agree on everything, but things are better when you use a little common sense bud.
What if it suddenly became "awesomely cool" to OvO. Everyone would be in the yard, duking it out. That wouldn't be a test of skill, or a competition at all. If you want a "picture"... watch rd2. OvO draws the fine line of between TEAM Fortress Classic, and deathmatch. This makes the game completely unproductive, that is, no feasible "result" at the end. If you really didn't care about OvO all that much, then you should, in all respects, consider rd2 a "normal" match.
You can't just simply rob a bank and say that it's your money because they didn't "stop" you from getting it.
By your "standards", TFC *IS* nothing more than a single player game.
How 'bout I just stand in your base all day and do nothing more than shoot your offense as an offensive player. If done successfully, I'm sure you could see why this could be a "problem". Also note that by your standards it is perfectly fine for anyone to pipe a respawn because there's nothing wrong with a "lil' OvO". They're the ones who came out and basically called the match "useless"... why? Because instead of playing TFC, everyone was doing just a "little OvO" by your standards, and they only got one cap out. Yet you seem to think there was some kind of "gayness" going on? It's a little different when both teams are on the receiving end isn't it?
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Maddog1
24.61.27.82 |
LOL....LOL....LOL.
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Fusion
68.13.152.237 |
akira stop posting. now.
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Akira
208.180.153.18 |
Maddog1: LOL....LOL....LOL
LOL!
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Unfor
24.12.178.39 |
You make long drawn out posts? LOL. Give me a fucking break. It is morons like you who flip out when a member of the opposing team shoots at you. "OH MY GOD, HE SHOT ME, I HAVE LOST HEALTH, AND CANNOT ENTER THEIR BASE WITH FULL HEALTH." OvO is fucking normal (in TFL, and should be in all of TFC in my opinion). If I see the enemy O walking in a straight line, I'm going to shoot at him. Why? Because he is an easy target, an easy way for me to continue to the enemy base while weakening (and sometimes crippling) the enemy team's O. That is normal, people jumping into the yard and DMing because they're pissed that they got shot the previous round, is not. Get the fuck over it. Your assertion that "team" aspect is being compromised because of OvO (which results in a seemingly all out deathmatch) is false. The game is a CTF game, oriented around capturing the enemy flag and protecting your own (as long as the latter does not supercede the former when you're O). It is YOU who is unable to accept that OvO can occur in the form of anything other than uncontrollable yard DM. I've played in several matches involving OvO where it was civil, and potshots were regarded as normal.
Similarly, if I'm D and I see the enemy flag in the yard, I'm going to try and kill every member of their D so that my O has a better chance of getting it. That's not crazy, that is logical and rational thinking. It is the style of TFC that we are accustomed to, why shouldn't YOU be the ones to conform to our playing style when it is allowed by the league in which we played in?
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psi
68.119.96.10 |
"What if it suddenly became "awesomely cool" to OvO. Everyone would be in the yard, duking it out. That wouldn't be a test of skill, or a competition at all. If you want a "picture"... watch rd2. OvO draws the fine line of between TEAM Fortress Classic, and deathmatch. This makes the game completely unproductive, that is, no feasible "result" at the end. If you really didn't care about OvO all that much, then you should, in all respects, consider rd2 a "normal" match. "
with that statement alone you make it painfully obvious you didn't pay TFC before 2 years ago.
the only problem with OvO are the people who flip out over it and don't do anything but chase after they're shot one time. OvO is fine. Its the people that don't know how to do it that makes it not "cool".
Your team didn't like getting shot. So you all flipped out and couldn't handle it for some reason. Now you're upset about it because you feel the other team MADE you pipe their spawn and put gas nades into it etc.
Why don't you just stand up and admit what you did and stop pointing a finger going "its their fault we did it and its their fault tfc sucks".
Now do me a favor and explain your idiot logic on this statement. "By your "standards", TFC *IS* nothing more than a single player game.". You've said a lot of fucking ignorant garbage in your posts thus far but I'm not sure if any of it comes close to the sheer and utter stupidity of this statement.
"How 'bout I just stand in your base all day and do nothing more than shoot your offense as an offensive player. "
Better yet why don't you just go to the league admins and beg them to make more rules so you can have some fun during a match. Try and get some more anti-OvO rules in place so if the opposing team member even bothers facing you you can dispute him and get him suspended from league play. And have a rule set in place to where if an enemy O member dies and his gren goes off near you and it hurts you then you can dispute it for OvO and have him banned from the league. That way you'll never have to go into a match wondering if you're going to have fun.
Or maybe this will work. What you should do is just write down your rules for playing tfc. And what you expect everyone to adhere to and suck some admins dick to get them set into place. That way you can have your 1 world vision of TFC in place and it'll be exactly how you want it to be. The rest of us can either do what you say or we can be labeled trouble makers and llamas and uncool e-people and be sumarily removed from the leagues. That way only people you like can play TFC with you.
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Akira
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"the only problem with OvO are the people who flip out over it and don't do anything but chase after they're shot one time. OvO is fine. Its the people that don't know how to do it that makes it not "cool".
Shot one time? This was a constant thing all through the match. All we had to do was take one look at a medic or a spy, and he'd chase us all the way back into their base until they either killed us, or the soldier killed us. Then, they complain when we do the same to them? We didn't bitch and moan when they did it to us, but suddenly it's a big deal when we deal it back two fold to them?
OvO is usually nothing more than one person, chasing down someone that he assumes is an "easy target". It's usually not because he wants to damage him/her before they get in, it's just because they want to do it because they think they have nothing better to do. When I say "single player" game, I mean you're just running around shooting stuff with no real purpose other than personal enjoyment.
They're the ones coming up with self incriminating phrases such as "I heard several comms from our o saying that they were being infected by your offense and chasing our flag carriers. If you do that to our offense, don't expect to get away with it. "
They're not OvO'ing us to drain our health before we get to their D, they're doing it because they think it's "gay" and funny. That is, of course, unless you return them the same favor. They don't seem to enjoy it as much, and tend to complain even MORE if you do it back to them.
"If you do that to our offense, don't expect to get away with it."
Don't expect to get away with it? That pretty much tells me that they were doing it for reasons OTHER than practicality or common sense. In their own minds they DO think it's gay, but only when it's done to them. Otherwise, all bets are off.
I'll say it again, RD2 was a "normal" match, if TFC is what you say it is. Don't come whining to me when you don't like your own tactics being used against you.
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Unfor
24.12.178.39 |
You can't expect anyone else to follow YOUR personal game ettiquette. It's all opinion.
Listen to your teammate, you dipshit. All you do is make assumptions that are unwarranted and unsupported. How dare you be so brazen and claim to know our motives for anything? We don't OvO because we think it's "gay and funny," you moron. We've made like several posts trying to explain to you the flaw in that logic (as we are ACCUSTOMED TO IT). However, since you can only view OvO as gay, you and your team try to go all out and "ruin everyone's fun". Let me explain to you what effective OvO is: Killing/injuring the enemy O while still being able to cap.
[[SIN]Akira2] Sorry about all of this... we've just been really stressed lately with all this bs the captains just told us to let loose and go with it rd2... it seems like everytime our fun gets ruined by the small stuff that happened from rd1 we just give up...
[[SIN]Akira2] we were basically told to be as gay as we could... just because... the captains were tired of it
Heres the story: your fun got ruined by "small stuff" that happened round 1. You gave up, decided that there was no way you could have fun, so you might as well concentrate your efforts on making others share in your misery. How classy, indeed.
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Akira
208.180.153.18 |
We're not making others "share" any kind of "misery", it's a game. Again, I'm not the one complaing, they're the ones complaining... apparently they didn't wanna take it as much as they gave it. Right off the bat after rd2 they were in IRC spamming about it. Apologies were traded, hands had been shaken between a few people, and it was over.
When BOTH teams did everything that they did RD1, it made the strategies kind of incompatible didn't it? GG.
Your motives are as simple as any other short lived team.... "Because we can."
I do not view "OvO" as gay. I view O turning into D for 30 seconds, and then back to O again as they see fit. Running ALL the way back into your base to kill someone, however, is extremely excessive on "OvO". You seem to think that it was "just a little OvO". I was being polite when I said "small" stuff, because at the time your actual intent wasn't clear. It seemed as if you were just having an off night. That was, until, I realized that they probably play like that every round. The writeup gave it away. This was done EVERY time we crossed the bridge from mid match to the end. Again, don't complain when we basically mirror your strat and push it forward.
Also, AFM likes to use their ringers "every now and then". This'll basically tell you what their "motives" are. We got an earfull when we wouldn't let them use their ringers on Darkness, apparently. Here's a tip, try rostering your players. It makes the process alot more simple.
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Unfor
24.12.178.39 |
What the fuck are you talking about you self-contradicting moron? Spend some time working on your cognitive skills before you go out spewing nonsensical drivel.
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KapPa
156.34.221.239 |
Wow. How can sin still be letting this waste of bandwidth post? Ok, lets see:
"Also, AFM likes to use their ringers "every now and then". This'll basically tell you what their "motives" are. We got an earfull when we wouldn't let them use their ringers on Darkness, apparently. Here's a tip, try rostering your players. It makes the process alot more simple."
We like to use our ringers every now and then? We were going to be short for a match so we asked you to use an unrostered member. There is a difference between that and a ringer. Try reading a fucking league rule sometime fucktard. Oh, and by the way, the player in question was on our other roster at the time, and is currently on both. Also the map was that shitty remake of rock2.
"I do not view "OvO" as gay. I view O turning into D for 30 seconds, and then back to O again as they see fit. Running ALL the way back into your base to kill someone, however, is extremely excessive on "OvO". You seem to think that it was "just a little OvO". I was being polite when I said "small" stuff, because at the time your actual intent wasn't clear. It seemed as if you were just having an off night. That was, until, I realized that they probably play like that every round. The writeup gave it away. This was done EVERY time we crossed the bridge from mid match to the end. Again, don't complain when we basically mirror your strat and push it forward. "
We aren't complaining about your horrible attempt at ovo, but about the parts where, you know, you broke league rules. There is a difference between tossing a few pipes near a spawn after you got past/killed a defender and sitting there with all your pipes/grens on it. There is also a little thing called nail grenade exploit which you seem to have forgotten that you used at every opportunity.
1-2 people potshotting (or god forbid chasing you a little after you start to infect and run) does not equal spawn piping + exploits + 9d.
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Akira
208.180.153.18 |
This was not on twilight_l, this was another time on Darkness. Although you did try to do it as well on twilight. Anyways, "chase me a little after I start to infect and run?", oh... that was just a "little potshotting" according to you, I just started returning the favor after a little while. Again, don't complain when you don't like your own crap used against you. Infecting is just like any other OvO.. hey... it damages you "a little" while they run into the base... common sense strat right? That wasn't some kind of preemptive strike, it was a result.
"or god forbid chasing you a little after you start to infect and run) does not equal spawn piping + exploits + 9d."
Oh gee, I thought it was just a "little potshotting".
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MastaFlex
69.194.3.54 |
"We didn't bitch and moan when they did it to us, but suddenly it's a big deal when we deal it back two fold to them? "
So why are u here still crying about rd1? I'm pretty sure it was you that tried to infect me a whole bunch of times rd1. Where u would SIT AND WAIT on your battlements just waiting for me to rj up. (If it wasn't u it was some other medic). Do i care? No, because i'll just give it right back to you.
The only reason you guys tried to "deal it back 2 fold" was cause you knew you had no chance of even capping our flag. It's as simple as that. I'm sure if the match was 1-0 or 2-0 you would have actually tried to win, but since we raped your set so hard rd1 you decided to give up.
"suddenly it's a big deal when we deal it back two fold to them?"
ROFL WHAT?!?! haha yea ok. Where to start on that one. I don't see any AFM'ers bitching about rd2 other than calling you out on exploiting. We understand you can't kill us without using an engine bug so thats cool. If you think that was dealing it back two fold. LOLOLOL. I was pretty bored actually. GG tho. Nice try.
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MastaFlex
69.194.3.54 |
Heres a novel idea for you. If you don't like OvO CONC from your base to the enemy base!!! WOWOWOWOW CRAZY HUH!?!?
Sure fucking beats walkin in straight lines.
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KapPa
156.34.221.239 |
I can find no other mention of you in our match history, so please enlighten me as to when we played you on darkness. It is not listed on our web page, or here:
http://www.konspiracy.org/?div=tfc&action=clanmaphistory&clanid=732&clanid2=0&map=245&submit=View
Unless you think you are smr, bm, or (!) lolz!
Also I just remembered something you said earlier that I wanted to respond to:
"Sure... 2 wrongs don't make a right, but it does open a way for discussion to begin. Alot of you are and will continue on your self destructive pattern until you find that the game is "no fun anymore" once you move up and figure out that you can't always win by lameness. I've seen alot of teams that are like that and they usually don't even last a year.... Later down the road AFM will probably be the poster child for this pattern, yet everyone will just ignore it and continue on their merry way to whatever it is you get when you move to "Platinum". I've seen teams come and go and I recognized this pattern from the get and go. This pattern has only been broken by a few teams from which I can think of, SIN being one of them (which is why I joined them). "
We have played in every single division of STA, TFL, OGL, and CAL. We don't plan on going anywhere anytime soon.
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Akira
208.180.153.18 |
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Kappa:
wow. Our offense potshotted a little bit, big deal.
I heard several comms from our o saying that they were being infected by your offense and chasing our flag carriers.
Unfor:
Similarly, if I'm D and I see the enemy flag in the yard, I'm going to try and kill every member of their D so that my O has a better chance of getting it. That's not crazy, that is logical and rational thinking.
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OMG Do I sense a double standard?
Look, we didn't complain about what you did RD1, we just did the same thing that you did RD2. Sure, OvO can be civil, but most people who wanna be gay like that are in that sort of mindset to where it ends up being ALL OvO. You shoot me, I shoot you back, you think "OMG HE DID NOT JUST SHOOT ME BACK! FKCUING OvvOOer LLAMA!". You then proceed to chase anyone all the way back to your base because you don't like getting shot back at after OvOing.
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KapPa
156.34.221.239 |
Firstly, why is that the ONLY part of any of my posts you have replied to? Secondly you still just don't seem to get it...there is a difference between a little ovo, and spawn piping, nail exploiting, 9d.
You cry about potshotting, yet you think all of that is justified. We didn't break a single rule, you did.
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Maddog
24.61.27.82 |
I would like to go on record and say that the oppions expressed by akira is not those of the clan SIN, and the things he say's is his own, SIN does not support OvO and has a strick policy against this. UNLESS the other team feels they need to start it. SIN made a bad call to play like llama's and I wish to appologize for that. We are not a team that can play in this manner and never will be. So with this said can we stop the string of sillyness and focus on the fact that this is a game and not a RL situation.
[SIN]Maddog1
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Akira
208.180.153.18 |
"So with this said can we stop the string of sillyness and focus on the fact that this is a game and not a RL situation. "
With that said, I hope you all enjoyed the comedy. Don't take it too seriously (LOL). GG and HF.
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Klone
24.2.228.94 |
crack heads
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MF
69.194.3.54 |
lolz...enjoy the 2 weeks off ^_^
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unfor
24.12.178.39 |
lolz...enjoy the 2 weeks off ^_^
lololzlz YEP
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